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as a surprise choice. he's the first jesuit. pope francis is known for humanity and long time service to the poor. he inherits a troubled church much reconciled tradition with a modernizing world. joining me now in rome and new york, monsignor lorenzo al katie and frank bruni and on the phone from rome daniel wakin to talk about what has happened since the selection of the new pope -- why this pope. >> two main reasons. one is significant cardinals really did want to go in a different direction. i think they wanted someone that into of could interject a hint of humanity and solidarity with the poor. a tough administrator. and the other part which is hard to figure out is due to the internal policies of the conclave and the jockeying of different groups and different nationalities of card numbers. that's a little harder to make out because so much is based on whips of information. the latter part it looks like the main italian candidate angelo -- was undermined by opposition from the italian cardinals themselves. that sunk his candidacy which opened the door for people to coalesce arou
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